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	<title>Comments on: Michael Stephens = Norman Bates?!?</title>
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		<title>By: nirak.net - Musings of an LIS Student &#187; Alternative search, part 2: Analyzing a document</title>
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		<dc:creator>nirak.net - Musings of an LIS Student &#187; Alternative search, part 2: Analyzing a document</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 16:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 1). Michael Stephens = Norman Bates?!? Self-plagiarism is style. Retrieved April 28, 2008, from http://www.daveyp.com/blog/index.php/archives/172/. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 1). Michael Stephens = Norman Bates?!? Self-plagiarism is style. Retrieved April 28, 2008, from <a href="http://www.daveyp.com/blog/index.php/archives/172/" rel="nofollow">http://www.daveyp.com/blog/index.php/archives/172/</a>. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Book covers, revisited &#187; &#34;Self-plagiarism is style&#34;</title>
		<link>http://www.daveyp.com/blog/archives/172#comment-42862</link>
		<dc:creator>Book covers, revisited &#187; &#34;Self-plagiarism is style&#34;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] spotted that Tim is busy working on something that I dabbled with last [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] spotted that Tim is busy working on something that I dabbled with last [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Eneas</title>
		<link>http://www.daveyp.com/blog/archives/172#comment-42790</link>
		<dc:creator>Eneas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 02:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,

This is really cool. Great job. Don't stop with this.

Regards,

Eneas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,</p>
<p>This is really cool. Great job. Don&#039;t stop with this.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Eneas</p>
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		<title>By: Paulo Diovani</title>
		<link>http://www.daveyp.com/blog/archives/172#comment-42788</link>
		<dc:creator>Paulo Diovani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 00:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, are you still working on the code?

This is really impressive. Was it made with what? perl?

Have you tried to apply this search to other things than book covers only? Like faces, animals, etc...

I was planning, some days ago, to make an app to search images through the web by an example image and thinking of do this using neural nets, but never go on coding... But your app could, maybe, does it much better.

Please, contact me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, are you still working on the code?</p>
<p>This is really impressive. Was it made with what? perl?</p>
<p>Have you tried to apply this search to other things than book covers only? Like faces, animals, etc&#8230;</p>
<p>I was planning, some days ago, to make an app to search images through the web by an example image and thinking of do this using neural nets, but never go on coding&#8230; But your app could, maybe, does it much better.</p>
<p>Please, contact me.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.daveyp.com/blog/archives/172#comment-36502</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 09:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that is most definitely the coolest thing I've seen in a long time.  

The match for Beginning Perl is brilliant - have you considered jacking in this web stuff in favour of a career as an MS Paintbrush artist? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that is most definitely the coolest thing I&#039;ve seen in a long time.  </p>
<p>The match for Beginning Perl is brilliant - have you considered jacking in this web stuff in favour of a career as an MS Paintbrush artist? :)</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Pattern</title>
		<link>http://www.daveyp.com/blog/archives/172#comment-32476</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Pattern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Susan!

I did mean to add an update to this post...

Moving to 16x16 seemed to make the matching worse, as the likelihood of a book cover matching the original image decreased -- so, using 8x8 actually made for better matches!

There must be an optimum size that has just the right about of "vagueness" to give good matches, so I'll keep on experimenting.

In terms of adding this into the OPAC, I did think it would be possible to analyse the book covers to get the average colour and then maybe that could be added to the MARC record (so it could become a searchable index)?

If you didn't want hex colour codes in the MARC reccord,  you could map the  colour to the nearest &lt;a href="http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/wdnut/excerpt/color_names.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;web colour name&lt;/a&gt;.  That way, you'd be able to run a keyword search and then limit the results to just "lightsalmon" coloured books :-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Susan!</p>
<p>I did mean to add an update to this post&#8230;</p>
<p>Moving to 16&#215;16 seemed to make the matching worse, as the likelihood of a book cover matching the original image decreased &#8212; so, using 8&#215;8 actually made for better matches!</p>
<p>There must be an optimum size that has just the right about of &#034;vagueness&#034; to give good matches, so I&#039;ll keep on experimenting.</p>
<p>In terms of adding this into the OPAC, I did think it would be possible to analyse the book covers to get the average colour and then maybe that could be added to the MARC record (so it could become a searchable index)?</p>
<p>If you didn&#039;t want hex colour codes in the MARC reccord,  you could map the  colour to the nearest <a href="http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/wdnut/excerpt/color_names.html" rel="nofollow">web colour name</a>.  That way, you&#039;d be able to run a keyword search and then limit the results to just &#034;lightsalmon&#034; coloured books :-D</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
		<link>http://www.daveyp.com/blog/archives/172#comment-32472</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, I WANT THIS!  Do you think we can get them to build it into the functionality of 8.x?   -- q</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, I WANT THIS!  Do you think we can get them to build it into the functionality of 8.x?   &#8212; q</p>
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		<title>By: ex libris</title>
		<link>http://www.daveyp.com/blog/archives/172#comment-32316</link>
		<dc:creator>ex libris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 15:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;search by book colour/cover...&lt;/strong&gt;

I was fascinated by Dave Pattern&#8217;s work on searching for books by the colour of their covers and his subsequent searches using images to find similar looking books. I think this stuff is really cool and am impressed with the way he went about app...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>search by book colour/cover&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>I was fascinated by Dave Pattern&#039;s work on searching for books by the colour of their covers and his subsequent searches using images to find similar looking books. I think this stuff is really cool and am impressed with the way he went about app&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Pattern</title>
		<link>http://www.daveyp.com/blog/archives/172#comment-32279</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Pattern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 11:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was wondering the same thing too Carlos!

I've started reindexing the book covers using a 16x16 image, although I know it will make the search run considerably slower.

It should definitely improve the matching -- here's how Mr Stephens looks at 8x8 and 16x16:

&lt;img src="/blog/stuff/ms_02.jpg" /&gt; &lt;img src="/blog/stuff/ms_01.jpg" /&gt;

The 16x16 is almost recognisable... kind of like looking at Michael through the bottom of a Coke bottle whilst squinting hard!

(heh -- wouldn't it be cool if, when Michael gave his next presentation, it was to a room full of librarians looking at him through Coke bottles whilst squinting!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was wondering the same thing too Carlos!</p>
<p>I&#039;ve started reindexing the book covers using a 16&#215;16 image, although I know it will make the search run considerably slower.</p>
<p>It should definitely improve the matching &#8212; here&#039;s how Mr Stephens looks at 8&#215;8 and 16&#215;16:</p>
<p><img src="/blog/stuff/ms_02.jpg" /> <img src="/blog/stuff/ms_01.jpg" /></p>
<p>The 16&#215;16 is almost recognisable&#8230; kind of like looking at Michael through the bottom of a Coke bottle whilst squinting hard!</p>
<p>(heh &#8212; wouldn&#039;t it be cool if, when Michael gave his next presentation, it was to a room full of librarians looking at him through Coke bottles whilst squinting!)</p>
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		<title>By: Carlos Lopez</title>
		<link>http://www.daveyp.com/blog/archives/172#comment-32274</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlos Lopez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 08:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn! What would happen if you made the image 16x16 px? Would you get more hits, or more accurate hits? (it's pretty impressive at 8x8!)

c.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn! What would happen if you made the image 16&#215;16 px? Would you get more hits, or more accurate hits? (it&#039;s pretty impressive at 8&#215;8!)</p>
<p>c.</p>
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